“Customs and Traditions not Taught
Presentation by Brother Placid Gross
Germans from Russia Heritage Society Convention
Pierre, South Dakota
July 8, 1994
Transcribed by Jane D. Trygg
PG: This is a food and folklore workshop. I am
Brother Placid Gross, from Richardton, North Dakota. I am from Napoleon
originally. I grew up south of Napoleon. I am the chairman for the
folklore committee. I am not really sure what I am supposed to be
doing as a chairman of the folklore committee. I have been at this
job for many years, and the organization has never really told me
what my job is or what I am supposed to be doing. There are several
people on the committee but we have never had any meetings.
One lady that is the main, who does a lot is Alice Waltry’s,
who lives in Seattle, Washington. Of course, we do not really get
together. We have corresponded but we have never actually met. Well,
folklore is a combination of many things. One can say that folklore
is traditions or customs that are not taught in school. Something
that we do, that we learn, on our own or from our family that was
not taught in school.
And of course folklore changes, like our dancing or our recipes,
it changes with what is available with what our surroundings are,
like our recipes, our foods with 49 kinds of noodles. But then it
might change over here because of how the flour has changed from
the old country. The flour works differently so we have to bake
our bread a little bit differently. So that is how it is with our
clothing, our games, and our songs.
It keeps evolving all the time, but we still keep trying to preserve
the old traditions like Dr. Sally Wagner talked in the opening.
In the key note address, it is important to keep our traditions
alive. Many ethnic groups are keeping their traditions alive better
than we are. The Native Americans, the Indians, tell their stories,
and there are a lot of people publishing their information. Those
stories are very interesting, but they are not true stories and
they are not whatever, they are just legends.
So we have also have a right to keep our stories alive, and keep
talking about our stories, talking about our history. And I would
really like to encourage you to do whatever you can to record these
types of things. I have some sheets to pass out, I guess I forgot
to bring enough along, but afterwards remind me to pass out those
sheets. It is a form, which helps you to write in a story or something
like that. So remind me if I forget to pass them out because I have
a tendency to forget things.
Some of the more common aspects of folklore are our recipes, the
way we cook our food. That is the easiest one to keep alive, and
that is one that we are still doing, because we have cookbooks available.
The other one is the songs. Every year at the convention we have
this German singing, but it seems like every year we have less German
singing and more English singing. More English songs. So we are
gradually forgetting those things also, because we forget what the
words mean. Clothing styles that can probably be preserved because
we have pictures.
We have pictures of the old time weddings and clothing so in the
future we can make clothing that resembles like it was. But the
things that are going to be lost, if we don’t do something
is the games, children’s games, adult games, games that we
used to play. And the toys, homemade toys. Yesterday I showed homemade
toys, I don’t know if I will have time, to do that again.
Wedding traditions, the way things were done in the past.
That would be good for someone to write that down. It would be
nice to know how you did it. Each family probably had their own
wedding traditions, but that’s ok. It would be good if each
family would write down their own ways of celebrating the wedding.
If you did it one way, that doesn’t mean that it is not a
good way. Whatever way you did it is the correct way, for your area
your religion, and your family. How baptisms were done, and how
names were chosen after certain ancestors. If you were named after
Those are all things that should be written down. I really want
to encourage you to remember those traditions to write them down
or at least tell them to your children, talk into a tape recorder.
Those sheets that I passed out, are available at the office in Bismarck.
We want to collect the idea, and to collect a lot of these traditions
on paper. And in the future we can publish them in the Heritage
Review as we need things to publish to fill out the Heritage Review.
They can take some of them and publish them. So it is a good idea
to have them on file there in Bismarck. And you are not going to
get rich doing folklore. I am not making any money. I am just doing
this because I enjoy doing it. And of course you realize there are
a lot of people within this organization who contribute a lot. Like
the people who go to the meetings in Bismarck four times a year.
They don’t get paid, and the President of the organization
doesn’t get paid anything.
And they are really contributing a lot of time and money, telephone
calls, and correspondents who are donating a lot. So all of us should
be doing something. Even though you don’t have the time to
write it down, take the time. OK, now at the convention in Aberdeen
two years ago, I put on a workshop on Christmas. I had quite a few
people helping me. How we celebrated Christmas Eve in my area. It
went over pretty good so they asked me to do a workshop in Fargo
the next year.
So I had several people helping me and we talked about children’s
games, about proverbs, home remedies, poems. Just like yesterday
we had a lady talking about home remedies, now today we will have
something a little bit different. Now last year, Edwin Iszler talked
about German temperaments. Maybe if you can get ready and help me
for the next convention if they ask me to do it. If they want to
do anything, but it would be good to have somebody to come up with
I think I will have one of the ladies come up here now, so I can
think about what I want to talk about next. I want to introduce
you to a lady who is from Dickinson. She belongs to the Deutsche
Leute Chapter. Elsie Huether, she is going to talk about “Scheren
Schniten” (scissor cuttings), an old custom. Elsie has been
a member for so long. You were probably a charter member. Oh ok,
Elsie was a charter member and she has gone to many, many conventions.
And she is very knowledgeable about the German Russian history.
Ok, she will have to introduce herself, or explain what she is doing.
So I guess I will just turn it over to Elsie.
EH: I am caught a little bit off guard. They told
me the workshops would be the same as they were yesterday, and I
thought then they would only be in the afternoon. So just a few
minutes ago, I found out. Here we are. So went out to the car and
got my things. Scheren Schniten, is a very old hobby you might say
of the Germans from Russia. It was brought into the United States
by the Pennsylvanian Dutch. I have many patterns here.
We are not as much on time as everyone else is. I will read opening
here, quick like. “And through the centuries the art of paper
cutting has been taught in many cultures. The earliest cuttings
were found in the orient. The orient seems to have many, many crafts
that they did in all kinds. Ukrainian eggs were actually German
eggs. Pennsylvanian Dutch also brought the scissor cutting back
to the United States. And just many, many artistic cultures developed
in the orient.
As trade increased into European countries, the folk- art emerged
there as well. The German settlers in Pennsylvania brought this
art to America in the 1600s already. Because it was a craft that
we could use and preserve the scarce supply of paper in a beautiful
way, the art of “Scheren Schniten”, or scissor cutting,
became remains a notable German folk-art. The parchment was used
and unstained. They obviously used a lot of parchment. This is one
form of parchment, and you can buy it and (102) shops. And these
are used for many different things for writing and what not.
German scissor cutting was black on white, or white on black. Never
colors. Sometimes they would stain parchment with tea. They would
take about three teaspoons of instant tea, in this day and age,
to a cup of hot water, and dab it with a little piece of cotton
or cloth until it was the desired color. Usually they did this after
it was cut. And then as you cut it, it will be come wrinkled, perhaps.
Then you can iron it, with an iron. Be careful and make sure it
is not too hot, but you can iron it.
One advantage to the art of scissor craft is the many things you
can do with your cuttings once they are cut. You can mount them
on a cardboard cutting to hang on the wall. You can even spray paint
around them. You can even use colors these days, although the Pennsylvanian
Dutch did not. You can make your own stationary with it. Make a
pattern, put it on cardboard, and have a printer print up some stationary
for you. Make envelopes, little note cards, folders, they are very
beautiful that way. Ok, I am going to try and cut some for you.
To bad we don’t have an overhanging mirror so you could better
see it. I brought three scissors. You can get special scissors for
paper cutting. But before you buy a scissor, and the regular paper
cutting scissors are very expensive. I have these on hand, and I
did get a good deal the last few years. Take a piece of paper, and
sometimes they will not allow you to cut paper with a scissor because
paper can dull your scissor very much. But take a piece of paper.
You should have complete control over the scissors. Don’t
allow the scissor to control you.
So take a piece of paper, and work with it you know, all around,
and see if it is comfortable in your hand. This one is quite comfortable
in my hand, though I do wish it was a little larger. You will need
a little one to puncture holes, if you need to get in to open it
up. Scissor cutting was never done with an exact-o knife. Now days
it is done with one though. Now, I made a very large, very large
copy. We should have gotten a bigger copy to be exact.
Now, I will show you the many things you can do with it. You can
buy these books, “Scheren Schniten” almost anywhere.
Well, in most craft shops. This is the 12 days of Christmas. It
is very beautiful! I wish I could have brought it with me, but I
have it in my winter home in Arizona. And it is beautifully done,
in a red background with a gold frame done for Christmas. But I
keep it up all year long. You can look at these afterwards if you
like. You can do many things with it.
If I can quickly get us some. Two angels and you put them on black,
and here is another one. This one I like quite well. This is the
way it looks when you cut it, fold it in two, sometimes I fold it
in four. When you first begin, I would suggest you use tissue paper.
It works a little bit easier, when you fold it. It is not as thick.
Don’t use Xeroxing paper. I did that the other day. It is
almost impossible to control Xeroxing paper. It is too stiff and
The parchment is a little tough also, but it is more like a rag.
And it doesn’t tear as easily and the end results are very
beautiful and it lasts much longer. This is, well I Xeroxed this
copy so I wouldn’t have to trace so many. But it is only a
good idea if you want a copy. Unbelievable, you know it is like
the snowflakes you made in school. The parchment is just folded
over. You put your pattern on here. Be careful how you put it on.
Make sure you don’t put it on this way, because you may not
get the right fold. Then I would suggest, if you do trace your pattern,
take a pencil and blacken the area that you will cut. Once you start
cutting, you may cut into the wrong area, and then you have it separated.
It won’t be together like this. You draw on the back side
and then the front side. Where there is no scribbling, will be your
front side. I told you I like this one pattern.
You can do many, many things with them. But anyway, fancy girl
and a bottle. I did this within 1981 with my granddaughter. She
was a dancer at the time. Now, I will show you what you can do.
This is copies so it is not as beautiful as the original. And I
will show you what you can do with a mat. See how much more beautiful
it is? Makes a difference doesn’t it? Ok now, black and white,
if the design was white with a black background, it would also be
beautiful. See the white frame doesn’t do much.
You take one of these pie shaped designs, and you cut out the middle.
It disappeared on me. You could even do that one. Here it is! You
cut out the center, enough. Take a snap shot; make a silhouette
with the snap shot. You can trace it with a transparent paper of
one sort or another. Even wax paper will work. Cut out the center
and see the heart shape. Put your girl in there. See you can do
many things. This is another granddaughter here picking apples.
And I will lay that out a little later. You can do just many, many
things. Here is another design. Here is my grandson, in the Pacific
Ocean. This way you can personalize it. I made one for my seven
grandchildren, my married grandchildren and their spouses and all
I will show you how I worked this one. Trace it like I said, off
of a snap shot, but you cannot fold it when you cut it. This is
the apple picker. This is the grandson on the ocean. It is kind
of hard to find the outlines, and cut them. Here it is on black.
Well I had to reverse that black; I did not like it so I had to
switch it over. And then you put your frame on it. And this is,
and your thing will be like that. I can pass this one around if
you want to get a closer look at it.
This is the sun, and this is the waves. After a while, you will
catch on. It takes a little bit of time to get used to the scissors.
And you can do many, many pictures. I will show you the pictures
and then I will get into cutting them a little bit. Here’s
a lovely design. I forgot it. You can use napkins, thin napkins.
But do not use one that is too thin. I think tissue paper would
work better. When I glue this on the paper, the glue shrunk the
paper and separated it. Now it looks like it is torn, but it really
This is really the first one I did of a grand daughter picking
apples. You can see that the paper pulled apart, and the paper shrunk.
The better glue is to use rubber cement. And if you have something
as fine as this, take your piece of paper, dip it in the rubber
cement, and then dab it here and there. Put very little glue on
it. If you put glass on it, mat, and it will stay put. These have
been done a long time ago already. This one has also separated,
has also separated a little bit. This is a very simple one. And
then I will let you go through these.
Art supply stores have this type of tracing paper. So you can put
it on your, snap shot, and trace it very easily without damaging
your snap shot. Stick to your outlines only, and silhouettes. Just
enough to show you what is happening, and what is being done and
who the character is. And then you can go through this album if
you want. There is some of the things that I did. See? I want to
show you how I did this one today, hopefully.
Fold it, open it put, and our little dots on here, well if do great
big cutting you can use a very fine holed, paper cutter, hole maker,
paper punch. But when it is this small, use a knitting needle and
large needle and pierce a hole into it. Now this is parchment, and
you can feel the texture of it. It is really, almost dragging. It
doesn’t tear all that easily. I will pass these around while
I am cutting. There are many things here that you can do with them,
with the cutting.
Now, let’s see what I did with my pattern here. Here, I do
have some pattern copies that you can pick up if you like afterwards.
But remember they are Xeroxed. See I shaded them, they are not all
shaded. So remember to fold it. Before you cut it so you have two.
If you use tissue paper, you can even make four at a time. But I
will put them down; I will not be demonstrating this afternoon will
I? Because, I don’t think I want to wait if I need to. You
can help yourself out later one. Now this is a duck, and it is on
regular paper. It is not on parchment.
You cut the smallest area, the most intricate area very first of
all, so you got something to hang onto. Don’t move your scissors.
Move your scissors as little as possible. Move the paper instead.
Cut at the very throat of your scissors, begin here. And you have
to go along side because every time you move it you can make a little
curve or sharp edge. So get it into the throat as much as possible.
In a small area, it is not as easy to get into the throat. So I
am going to start, with this floral piece here. And the way to begin
this easily, if it is not that small.
Fold it, because remember you are going to iron it. And give it
a little click here, a little snip. So you have an opening. And
then you go and keep going here. I am nervous. I am shaking! See
I cannot get the throat in all the way, so keep your paper moving.
See I am almost down to the point, and I wouldn’t let it click
there. So I start over again. I am not following the lines very
well here. I won’t do this entire one here. I will just do
this end one here.
Now, I will do the duck. I don’t know if you can see what
I am doing or not here. I will do it quick like. You just keep turning
your paper. Paper gives, if it is not too brittle. I am not doing
the best job here. This is one of the easier designs. And on my
haste, I goofed on this one. I should have not cut on the bottom
here. Although if you put it on glass it will be ok. I should have
opened it here only. Because if you open it on the bottom, you can
leave the contract here. I have to leave the contact there. And
of course I didn’t cut the outside, heart shape.
But see I haven’t got the fancy stuff on it. If you get the
idea. Let me just cut the exterior quick like. But I got the pattern
here, so don’t cut this out. See what I did, I cut the bottom
by her feet out. So don’t cut that out, see I took that out
on here. Instead of starting here, cut this to the edge like so.
And only cut and leave this middle intact. Not here or here. Then
we are attached all the way. And then put it behind a frame, because
many articles and patterns have many, many loose ends. You can make
postcards. You can use almost any scraps of paper, but you cannot
use newsprint. I don’t know how newsprint would work.
But you know the things that you can get at the presses that are
just plain. Try some of that and see how well that will work for
you. I think if you would use some with ink, you could make a design
on it too. But you may not want that printing on there you know.
Parchment is best, but if you want something very, very intricate,
then parchment is way to stiff. See how much more beautiful it looks
with just the rim on it, and I can punch some holes around the edges
to add some more intricate. This one is a Christmas tree one in
I think maybe I have used up my time here, huh? So you pick up
these patterns and look at the samples here. You don’t have
to go by this company. You can get other books also. I think I laid
this one out here. This is another company. But other companies
do make them. Also there are books available on snowflakes.
You would fold those 4,5,6,8 times, and the more you fold them,
the easier it is. You don’t have to get in-between to cut
the openings. Then, you can enlarge them too. So, after Br. Placid
is all finished, then you can come up and look at these. Thank-you
if have any more questions, get to me, talk to me, a little later.
Don’t spend a lot of money on scissors.
PG: So, Thank-you. Now, when we get old and have
a lot of time. We know what we can do.
EH: You can do this while you are watching TV.
PG: See, Deb said they would not have Elsie here.
We have other things. So this is pretty much different that it was
yesterday. If we do this again this afternoon, we might have to
repeat some things then we have said before. Do you want a picture
of me? Ok. Yesterday we talked about toys, and home remedies. Now
I want to show you some things that my mother is making. Some of
the rugs my mother made with rags. I am sure you all have made them.
This is very old. This has been used. Do you know, are there some
people who do not know how to do these? Did you take strips, when
you cut strips of cloth, and you had to sew them together? I mean
because you have pieces. So you have to sew them together so you
have one long one, and then you roll them together so you have one
long one. And then you roll it up into a ball, so that you will
have a ball this big to work with. Then you get the needle and crochet
We say Sticken. I don’t know what the difference is between
stricken and haeket (crochet or knit). My mother is 91 years old
now, and she is working on another one now that she knows I am interested
in this old stuff. So now she is making one for me. She said next
year the convention is in Bismarck so she will be able to go, and
then she can show it herself how to do it. So next year she will
be 92, but any how she said, next year I will show myself how to
do it. So she can, well even if my mother doesn’t come next
year, I can show this again.
That is one way to use up every bit of left over scraps. You know
our ancestors didn’t waste anything. I guess most of us do
not either, because we are that age. Anyone who grew up in the 30s
is unable to throw anything away. So when the cloth was wore out.
They didn’t have polyester, so everything wore out a lot faster
than now days.
Clothing now day is much better than used to be. Even though it
wore out, they still made use of it. They would sew every little
piece of cloth, and use it over again. Ok, I think I am going to
call on another lady now. Katie Glatt Wald, she is from Hague, North
Dakota. She is a relative of mine also. She goes to all the conventions.
She is very active in the chapter at Strasburg, North Dakota. Give
a hand to Katie Wald. She will have to tell us what she is going
to tell us. I can’t think of everything, when I am supposed
to think of things.
KW: Good morning. My topic is on Brauchen, a healing
gift. Many of you might be well acquainted with it. Others have
never even heard of it, I have found out. So, I am going to try
to give you a little bit of information on that. Among the communities
of Germans from Russia in North Dakota, some are said to have a
special gift of healing called Brauchen.
It has deep roots in the history of our people. This gift of healing
was brought to North Dakota by those Germans who had left their
homeland to seek a better way of life in Russia. Here they were
isolated in a strange land, but they still continued many of their
traditions. Brauchen was an answer to a very practical problem,
the shortage of doctors and medicine, both in Russia and after our
German from Russia ancestors came to America.
Brauchen is a prayer healing, and sometimes have been credited
with miraculous cures. Prayers recited in German usually in tones
so low, so the patient can’t hear them clearly calling upon
the Holy Trinity, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost to heal,
saying it three times. It is a work of God. You must believe in
what you are doing, and don’t make fun of it. Do not talk
to other people who do not believe. Healing ointments are usually
used and prescribed, ranging from salves, herbs, and teas, and also
salt and cabbage leaves. In simple terms, Brauchen consists of prayer
and strong believe combined with folk medicines and home remedies.
To this day, the greatest concentration of this healing Brauchen,
is in the south central portion of North Dakota, where we have the
heaviest population of German Russian people. Here are some examples,
many of which I have tried myself, and have been fortunate enough
to have some success with. There is also, like I indicated earlier,
there are people who still do this. So you can go get this done
For instance for warts or blemishes, you can even do self Brauchen.
Watch for the full moon, go outside, and while looking at the moon
say “German Words”. Make the sign of the cross, and
say in the name of the Father, and the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,
amen. Do this in three nights of succession. Should it be cloudy
one night. You have to start out all over again. You must see clear
vision of the moon all three nights in succession.
My husband has done this on numerous occasions, and it has worked.
Now, I for one, and many of you women in the audience have quite
a problem with having my womb, very easily getting slipped out of
place. So for that though, as a rule I do go to a lady who does
this for me. She gradually, has to work this womb up and get it
into the position, right up here by your navel. And while she doing
this, and while she’s holding this in place, she will kind
of quietly say, “Muta muta geit thee undru, duliescht vodu
no karsh, cemuch desch du.”
While you bring it together and hold it. Make the sign of the cross
over it three times saying “In the name of the Father, and
of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, Amen. And some others for instance
for severe stress and pressures, causing body rashes and what have
you. Put about a half a cup of Camille tea into bath tub full of
warm water. Sit in this warm water for about a half hour to draw
out the impurities, and it will clear up. I have done it. It has
worked for me.
And many instances, especially many years ago. I know ring worm
was a very common thing. Children and even adults, working with
calves and cattle seemed to be something that was very common. They
would get ringworm all over their body. And I have heard many instances
where parents of these children will take them to the doctor, and
they give medication after medication. Nothing seems to work. Ok,
we’re going to take you into and get you healed by this lady
or a man or whoever and we are going to perform Brauchen.
Purchase a bottle, you can also do this by yourself, but like I
said with my womb, others and do it for you. Now more recently,
you can also by a bottle called ginger violet that is available
at your drug store. Using the tip of the nozzle on the bottle start
to rubbing this around the outside of the sore. But make sure you
stay clear to the outside of this sore. And keep going round and
round until you get up to the center, and that will make it heal.
I know of instances that this good friend of mine told me about
this, and she said do not start in the center.
Then you will make it spread instead of making it heal. So it is
very important that you do start it on the outside, and go round
and round until you end up at the center. And it will dry up and
go away. Like for infections, it is also common, these are some
more things that I have done myself. Take a cabbage leaf, securing
it to the wound for a couple days. It will draw out these germs.
You can just feel it draw, and it will heal. Or dissolve a teaspoon
of boric acid in a cup of milk. Heat the milk quite hot, so you
can barely put your finger into it when you start out. I used to
cure a lot of trouble with that.
I would get a little scratch, and it wouldn’t want to heal.
You can just feel it draw clean up into your hand. And if you do
this two, three times and it draws out the infection and it heals.
This way you do not have to run to your doctor. And Epson salt is
another common one used among us farmers. Kids would run around,
and even men folks step on a nail while doing farm work on the farm
and what have you. Before you know it, you have a serious infection
So you put a Tablespoon of Epson salt into about a pint of warm
water there. And soak that area for about a half hour, and it will
seem to disappear. Or for a hysterical child, give them a little
honey, and it will calm them down. Another common problem, usually
with babies is this colic. This good friend of mine, she does this
a lot. And with this, we have another saying “Little bugs..”
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KW: And then, here again now you make your sign
of the cross. Always three times. Make of the sign, of the cross
and of course this time, it would be over you intestines. Make your
sign of the cross three times, while you say ‘amen’
for each one. Or say, or repeat in words “German Words”,
meaning ‘so God help me to get out of my system or out of
the child’s system.’
They are many more examples, but I really didn’t write them
down. They were in German, and even though I speak fluently German,
but I mean these sayings, I wasn’t good enough to say them
here. Also this lady that I know real well, who does this a lot.
I said, “I would like to have more of this in English.”
And then she said, “I don’t think it even works in English.”
It is just something that our German Russian people brought going
way back in time.
And it was always done in German. And it’s just like everything
else, when you change this German into English, it doesn’t
seems to sound right anymore. It’s kind of not the same. And
she said that is the only way, and some other people that she knows,
women or men who do this Brauchen healing, it is just always in
German. And I guess that’s about all I can tell you on that.
PG: Thank-you Katie. Would someone like to add
to this? Has anyone had any experiences where you have had healing?
You’ll have to talk loud and not really talk real long.
Crowd: I just want to ask some questions about
Brauchen. Our ancestors brought this weed. Now, it is kind of a
major weed starting in all the farmsteads. And I have heard that
it is used in some kind of tea used for healing practices. Does
anyone know anything about that?
PG: Does anyone know anything about worm wood,
that grass that stinks? I know I have tried it to make a tea. It
is so bitter, you cannot drink it. No, matter how mild you make
it, it is so terribly bitter, that you just do not want to drink
it. Yah, Tony.
Crowd: It’s a weed?
PC: Worm wood, yes. It’s that stinky stuff
that grows around the chicken yard.
Crowd: Yes, I have had that. A lady once, made
that for me. They added raisins to sweeten it up. I kept it in the
refrigerator, and I drank it. And I’m still here.
PC: I know people who had diabetes, and they would
drink it for diabetes. And I know it works for diabetes, because
it is so awful bitter, that it will take the sugar right out of
you. And where that came from, the Mennonite, are blamed for bringing
that over from Russia.
But the earliest ones, it has been traced back, and they say that
the Mennonite brought that worm wood over. I did some research on
that a few years ago, trying to figure out where that came from
and what it is supposed to heal. The only thing that I know is that
people use it for diabetes. Ok, Ruben?
Crowd: There’s a new remedy. I don’t
know if you all have heard about it, but you take golden grapes
or white grapes, put it in a, soak it up in gin for three weeks,
so they get raisin like. I have eaten raisin every day.
I don’t know if the kick goes away, or the pain goes away
when you drink that gin, but it really helps. And I’m not
kidding you, I do it myself. I just did a batch. So I haven’t
tried it yet, but I am certain. It’s used for arthritis.
Crowd: What’s it supposed to be used for?
PC: arthritis, yes. With that Brauchen, it is
a cure for the arthritis. With that Brauchen, it really works. I
have not had it done on me since I was very, very tiny. And I really
don’t know who does it anymore. Margaret Mitzel of Napoleon
used to do it, but she is not alive anymore.
But this lady at Ashley does it now. I think the Protestants did
it more that the Catholics, as far as I know. Because when I went
to Wishek, where the Protestants are, and there are always was someone
who can do it there. But the Catholics also did it.
Crowd: Actually, I don’t know, if the Protestants
did do it. My grandmother was a strong Protestants, and I know nothing
about this. I knew she said, my grandmother would once in awhile
if she couldn’t cure something, she would bring a Brauchen’er
in. But she would not let the children watch, because it was against
her religion to do that. They would go up into attic, and listen.
And she did say it’s a matter of believing. You know, I’m
sure. You have to believe.
PC: I believe that no matter what you do, it will
work. You have to believe. If you do it with the right intensions
and do it with the faith, it will work. Because different people,
have different ways of doing it. There was one lady in Wishek, well,
she is not living anymore, but she was in our area. She used to
put up. She would tie a string around an egg, around a chicken egg,
and put the chicken egg into the hot coal, was her way of doing
You know the charismatic. There are a lot of people who are involved
in this. It was very popular say ten, fifteen years ago. I mean
a lot healings have happened. I have seen healings, when you pray
over people, in the name of the Holy Spirit and people have been
healed. I believe that just the fact is, believing in something
and doing it.
That’s what personally, I think what does it. These words
that these people say, I think the words are not important. Because
this one lady from Napoleon, the words that she used, I don’t
think it was what cured anybody, but it did work. But it was the
fact that she did something, and believed in it.
Crowd: Was it always women that did it?
PC: Was it always women that did it? No, I guess
not. But somebody told me, that a man has to pass it on to a women
and a woman has to pass it onto a man. Now, if that makes sense,
I don’t know. But that is just what some people believe. It
seems to me to run in families. I don’t know, there are not
many people who do it anymore. The rest of us are getting to educated
to do it.
Crowd: -Cannot hear?-
PC: Does anyone want to add something about anything
else? Yesterday’s program was concluded differently that today.
This afternoon, I am not quite sure what we are going to do. Maybe,
I’m going to go swimming or something. I really hate to repeat
Even though there are new people, I just feel that it’s just
really. I just can’t repeat something that I already did,
so I am not quite sure what is going to happen this afternoon. Other
topics? On poems, or games, songs or healings?
Crowd: This lady that you referred to in Ashley.
Was that Eva?
PC: Eva Bender?
Crowd: Edwin Iszler. That was my aunt. I know
that she does do Braucha. Our granddaughter, who was born. –Cannot
PC: So it worked.
Crowd: yes, And she only charged two dollars.
PC: On the thing about the Braucha, They were
cheap. You didn’t have to pay much.
Crowd: and she had a little pedestal that she
made for this. She would say a few words silently, we couldn’t
hear her. And she walks, and she has five little daughters.
PC: It used to be that Priests, Catholic priests,
were against it. That is one reason our people quit doing it, because
the priests really discouraged it. Well, that’s about it.
Our time is up.
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